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		<title>Enhanced Interrogation Techniques Don&#8217;t Kill People, Liberals Do</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 19:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Spiegel</dc:creator>
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Liberals have been howling over the media’s claim that Osama bin Laden’s killing has &#8220;renewed&#8221; the debate over enhanced interrogation techniques, when any sensible patriotic American surely recognizes these as unconscionable acts of barbarism (though shooting an unarmed man in the face is apparently still acceptable).
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<p>Liberals have been howling over the media’s claim that Osama bin Laden’s killing has &#8220;renewed&#8221; the debate over enhanced interrogation techniques, when any sensible patriotic American surely recognizes these as unconscionable acts of barbarism (though shooting an unarmed man in the face is apparently still acceptable).</p>
<p>In fact, any sensible patriotic American understands that such techniques are justified, indispensable tools for intelligence gathering in a war against Islamist savages who don’t respect the Geneva Conventions or any other international law.</p>
<p>But liberals love trying to confuse us with the two controversies surrounding EITs: their humaneness and their efficacy.  So if they can’t convince normal Americans that splashing water on a terrorist’s face—a technique carried out on our own special forces as part of their training—is an unspeakable atrocity, then they simply switch subjects and claim that EITs aren’t effective.</p>
<p>Just how ineffective are EITs?  Well, Pakistani-born, al Qaeda devotee Hassan Ghul experienced them several years ago at a CIA “black site” prison in Poland, and pretty soon he was singing like a canary about the alias of a trusted courier to bin Laden at his Abbottabad compound.</p>
<p>Ghul wasn’t waterboarded, but al Qaeda operations chief Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was.</p>
<p>Liberals, who are naturally only concerned about our well-being, soberly inform us that waterboarding and other forms of “torture” do not lead to reliable information—that detainees simply lie in order to make the interrogation stop.</p>
<p>That’s OK!  It turns out that our intelligence agencies are sharp enough to deal with just such a contingency.</p>
<p>Mohammad and his successor Abu Faraj Libbi separately lied about the name of the courier Ghul had provided.  The fact that two top al Qaeda members had fabricated a key piece of evidence clued U.S. intelligence officials in to the fact that it was important, which eventually led to the discovery of the courier’s name—and the location of bin Laden’s compound.</p>
<p>Liberals’ lethal push to use only “humane” interrogation techniques recalls the joke about the drunk looking for his keys under the lamppost, even though he didn’t lose them there, because the light is better.  (“Why are we politely querying the al Qaeda operations chief in a comfy lounge after his dinner of free-range chicken with mango chutney at Camp Gitmo?”  “Because it’s more humane that way.”)</p>
<p>Here’s an analogy liberals may comprehend: What do enhanced interrogation techniques and embryonic stem cell research have in common?</p>
<p>Answer: We don’t engage in enhanced interrogation techniques because we know for sure that they will immediately work, or exactly what information we will obtain from them.  We do it because we know there may be valuable intelligence to be gained by interrogating key members of prominent terrorist networks.</p>
<p>Similarly, scientists don’t propose carrying out embryonic stem cell research because they know for sure that it will immediately lead to life-changing breakthroughs and cures for fatal diseases.  They do it because they know there may be valuable information to be gained by carrying out this type of research, in addition to the less controversial adult stem cell research.</p>
<p>Some conservatives argued that the newly elected President George W. Bush was right to single out embryonic stem cell research as a particularly insidious technique that should not, unlike thousands of other research techniques, receive renewed federal funding.  These commentators boasted about the wisdom of his decision after adult stem cell research seemed to yield more promising treatment potential than embryonic stem cell research.</p>
<p>As any real scientist knows, the reason you do research is because you don’t know what you’re going to find.  If you downplay one area of research because it conflicts with your religious views, and that area proves less fruitful than a better-funded, less religiously problematic area, then it’s not because you had an open mind beforehand.</p>
<p>What if embryonic stem cell research someday takes off like wildfire and leads to numerous promising cures?  Will the same conservatives still insist it was wise to limit federal funding to adult stem cells decades ago?</p>
<p>We know that EITs indirectly led to information that helped identify bin Laden&#8217;s location.  What if we knew that waterboarding directly, demonstrably, inarguably produced the critical intelligence in this operation?  Would liberals still condemn the technique as “torture” and call Bush a war criminal?</p>
<p>EITs are used to fight terrorism; stem cell research is used to fight disease.  Like stem cell research, EITs must be attempted without prejudgment about their effectiveness if the goal is to save human lives.</p>
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		<title>Obama Approves Troop Increase in Southern District of New York</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Spiegel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps it&#8217;s not surprising that President Obama would think nothing of subjecting Manhattan to the spectacle of a civilian court trial against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.  This is the administration that thought having an F-16 trail Air Force One around Ground Zero on a workday morning was a good idea.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s not surprising that President Obama would think nothing of subjecting Manhattan to the spectacle of a civilian court trial against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.  This is the administration that thought having an F-16 trail Air Force One around Ground Zero on a workday morning was a good idea.</p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps we should view KSM as Obama’s consolation prize for failing to secure the 2016 Olympics on U.S. soil.  (How much tourism revenue will KSM&#8217;s trial bring to lower Manhattan?)</p>
<p>To try KSM and his four co-conspirators in federal court, New York will have to create a de facto Guantanamo Bay—one that is smaller than but as secure as the real thing.  The city will need to spend millions of dollars ensuring extra protection for the courthouse, the densely populated neighborhood—indeed all of downtown Manhattan—including shipping in hundreds of U.S. marshals from other jurisdictions.  They will have to make special efforts to protect the judge, prosecutors, jury, federal agents, and witnesses, all of whom will receive death threats and will need armed protection.</p>
<p>As Rudy Guiliani noted, trying those who planned 9/11 in a civilian court in lower Manhattan is like trying those who planned Pearl Harbor in a civilian court in Hawaii.</p>
<p>The trial will drag on for years and New York will face extra, unnecessary risk during every day of the circus.  Manhattan will be placed in the international spotlight and will become a prominent stage for jihadists to stage a suicide or car bombing.  Would-be attackers won’t have to do it right in front of the courthouse—anyplace in Manhattan would capture headlines and give encouragement to the Islamist cause worldwide.</p>
<p>Defenders of Obama’s decision claim that isolated individuals are unlikely to engage in a spectacular attack in Manhattan without long-term planning and financial support from an embedded terrorist cell.  Tell that to soldiers lining up for eye exams who survived Nidal Hasan&#8217;s shooting spree at Fort Hood last week.</p>
<p>Mayor Mike Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, and other city officials all assure us that New York’s Police Department can handle any potential disruption.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see: in 2000, in the same court in which KSM et al. are to be tried, bin Laden aide Mamdouh Salim, awaiting trial for his role in the bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, blinded a prison guard by squirting hot sauce in his face, then plunged a comb sharpened into a dagger deep into the guard’s eye, nearly killing him and causing permanent brain and sight damage.  Salim’s plan, later discovered in notes stored in his prison cell, involved taking hostages and helping co-defendants escape.</p>
<p>Another al-Qaida suspect, Wadih El-Hage, pounced on the judge during the middle of a pre-trial hearing and had to be wrestled to the ground by federal marshals.  El-Hage got within several feet of the judge, who had shielded himself with his chair.</p>
<p>Zacarias Moussaoui’s hearing in lower Manhattan was enough of an exhibition, and that was just a six-week sentencing trial.  His initial prosecution in Virginia took four years, mostly due to wrangling over rules of evidence, and ended only because he finally confessed his role in the 9/11 hijackings.  In addition to being verbally abusive to those involved in the proceedings, shouting curses at the jury, and gloating aloud when he didn&#8217;t get the death penalty, Moussaoui had demanded that captured al-Qaeda members appear as witnesses in his trial, a request prosecutors could not deny according to the rules of the game they had agreed to play.</p>
<p>Even if the terrorist suspects bring no physical attack to fruition, a trial in civilian court in Manhattan would be, as Charles Krauthammer labeled it, “the second half of the terror attack,” in which the perpetrators loudly justify their ideology and actions to the world and delight in the suffering of their victims.</p>
<p>If the prospect of welcoming KSM and company to the Big Apple isn’t enticing enough, there’s also the little matter that these terrorists have no right to a trial in civilian court—in fact, they have no rights at all.  Only U.S. citizens and resident aliens have constitutional rights, such as the writ of habeas corpus, because only they have sworn to uphold the ideals of the Constitution and abide by its rules.  Not only do radical foreign Islamists not support the Constitution, they actively use it against us to shield themselves from the consequences of atrocities they commit.  As Tim Sumner and Debra Burlingame noted in a letter to the president, “It is incomprehensible… that the same men who today refer to the murder of our loved ones as a ‘blessed day’… should be the beneficiaries of a social compact of which they are not a part, do not recognize, and which they seek to destroy: the United States Constitution.”  As Neil Cavuto noted, the 9/11 terrorists used our planes as weapons against us; now they plan to use our justice system for the same purpose.</p>
<p>The ridiculous thing about all of this is that the only reason Obama wants to try KSM in New York is to further the goal of shutting down Guantanamo Bay.  Had he not made such a promise and signed an executive order to enforce it on the first day of his presidency, even Obama might have been sane enough not to bring these terrorists to a courthouse four blocks from Ground Zero.  As noted by Michael Mukasey, George W. Bush&#8217;s Attorney General, “What’s followed [from Obama’s campaign promises] has seemed in many instances to be a system in which policy is fashioned to fit and proceed rhetoric rather than being thought out in advance with arguments then formulated in support of it.”</p>
<p>Champions of the president’s decision counter: “Of course New York can handle these trials—New Yorkers are tough!  New York courts handle all kinds of dangerous defendants.”  The question isn’t whether New York can put up with this, but why New York should have to put up with this.<br />
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